(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[US Open Round 4 2008 Go Congress - Juyong Koh (8d) vs Mingjiu Jiang(7p)]PW[Juyong Koh]PB[Mingjiu Jiang]WR[8d]BR[7p]DT[2008-08-07]EV[US Open]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Richard Dolen]C[Violence [?\]: oh wow
Violence [?\]: Mingjiu gets his chance for revenge...
p0larbear [?\]: he lost to juyong koh before?
Violence [?\]: in the ING cup
p0larbear [?\]: oh
Yoseki [3k\]: ok no jokes about *koh* threats
p0larbear [?\]: i'm sorta suprised that 8
p0larbear [?\]: lol
bagman [4d\]: wasn't juyong 7d at the beginning of the tournament6
Southpoint [-\]: again?
Southpoint [-\]: he  won him already 
Gosnake [6k\]: hello peoples
bagman [4d\]: USGO why is juyong 8d now?
og [9k\]: this is strong play
USGO3 [-\]: Mr. Koh's rating has indeed been changed since the beginning of the tournament
miniangel [11k\]: does feng yun win the win that time?
bagman [4d\]: why?
Almdudler [3d\]: how old is koh?
miniangel [11k\]: game*
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]C[Yoseki [3k\]: she's not playing I believe
]
;W[pd]C[Deich [5k\]: i thought d4 isnt polite
miniangel [11k\]: i did watch her match half way
]
;B[cd]C[miniangel [11k\]: but not sure who win that day
]
;W[pp]
;B[nc]C[og [9k\]: deich, depends which side usgo3 is sitting on
]
;W[qf]C[bagman [4d\]: juyong was too strong as a 7d?
acellist1 [5k\]: this is when I start to play losing moves as white
]
;B[ic]C[vavoysh [7k\]: broke joseki!
vavoysh [7k\]: or fuseki!
vavoysh [7k\]: whatever you call it!
Deich [5k\]: j17 hmmm
]
;W[cj]C[shanku [4k\]: mini chinese?
MssrBlanc [4k\]: senseis.xmp.net/?MiniChinese
Yoseki [3k\]: settle down nothing is broke
Violence [?\]: Mingjiu playing Mini Chin? I don't recall him ever using it
Deich [5k\]: morning has broken
Almdudler [3d\]: maybe he´s being serious now :<
acellist1 [5k\]: Go Juyong!
MssrBlanc [4k\]: it's just a day for surprises, violence!
bagman [4d\]: yea i want joyong to win too
]
;B[cm]
;W[cg]
;B[df]
;W[be]
;B[dg]C[acellist1 [5k\]: b wants to play an agressive game I think
Deich [5k\]: c17
Yoseki [3k\]: w must submit
acellist1 [5k\]: submitting feels painful
nickwild [3k\]: b moya starts to take shape
nickwild [3k\]: moyo
Violence [?\]: a normal sequence
genesis5: c15 now
acellist1 [5k\]: what is white's normal move here?
]
;W[ch]C[zhixiang [2d?\]: this
Violence [?\]: now prolly B14 for more thickness
Yoseki [3k\]: mingjiu got killed last game so he wants to be the one attacking now 
RubysDad [3k\]: b moyo too big already, w should resign
Gaxx [3k\]: -_-
royalty [3d\]: welcome to the world of dans
Yoseki [3k\]: W leads in points :+}
nickwild [3k\]: why isn't a 3p much stronger than an 8d?
Violence [?\]: yeah. I used to hate this fuseki pattern because I thought the moyo was too big.
royalty [3d\]: i still prefer black
Violence [?\]: nick, pro ranks don't correlate with playing strength
royalty [3d\]: simply becouse i always screw this up as whtie
Violence [?\]: Yeah, I still hate the pattern, but I don't think it's horrible anymore
acellist1 [5k\]: although you can bet 9p is strong
nickwild [3k\]: ok what do they correlate with?
Almdudler [3d\]: royalty down to 3d :o
royalty [3d\]: played lots of games
nasnad [1d?\]: age
]
;B[ce]C[Almdudler [3d\]: ><
royalty [3d\]: i'll get to 4 dan if i'm worthy
Deich [5k\]: sucsess
Almdudler [3d\]: did you stop doing tsumego or so?
]
;W[bd]C[Almdudler [3d\]: i remember you and your demos ^^
royalty [3d\]: slighly faster games
royalty [3d\]: some reading errors
Yoseki [3k\]: now, a clinic in handling moyos
royalty [3d\]: or blunders
makoregevr [2d\]: the 7p doesnt need to win in much?
royalty [3d\]: but mostly just becouse of my inactivity
royalty [3d\]: i played lots of games to just get the touch back
progodan [15k\]: what's tsumego? i think i saw the word on a website
Almdudler [3d\]: ><
Violence [?\]: the don't correlate with much anything, nick. Pros are pros.
]
;B[bc]C[royalty [3d\]: they could correlate to their wages
NoodleMike [15k\]: they get wages?
]
;W[cf]C[NoodleMike [15k\]: I thought they just got winnings?
Violence [?\]: do they? I didn't know.
Yoseki [3k\]: if they had rating like chess would be easier
royalty [3d\]: how much money people are willing to pay for their teachings
]
;B[ad]C[Violence [?\]: yeah.
Yoseki [3k\]: wasnt' B C17 honte before?
Almdudler [3d\]: 9ps sure can be expensive
]
;W[bf]C[og [9k\]: why a16 now?
Almdudler [3d\]: even lyonweiqi is
]
;B[dc]C[Deich [5k\]: pros like to defend corners
Gaxx [3k\]: i think everyone does
Toge [5k\]: Was A16 really *that* sente?
bagman [4d\]: omly amateurs are cheap
Yoseki [3k\]: no some kyus <----------  like to build moyos 
royalty [3d\]: toge, of course
Violence [?\]: force before defending, guys
Deich [5k\]: sure but i heraed corners bacame more importend again
Violence [?\]: and the cuts are quite severe, so...
zhixiang [2d?\]: lol
Deich [5k\]: btw mingjiu told once in one of his lessons:)
RubysDad [3k\]: yeah, corners back in fashion this year
Gaxx [3k\]: haha
Deich [5k\]: blahblah
zhixiang [2d?\]: corners are always in fashion
]
;W[cb]C[amurumindu [16k\]: :;=)
bagman [4d\]: uh i don't get this move
Deich [5k\]: often you have josekis where you can decide corner or side or influence. mingjiu said: pros dont like to give corners away 
Yoseki [3k\]: kikashi
iancho [1d\]: Whenever I see a stone on the 3:3 point it looks to me like it's about to fall off the board
iancho [1d\]: Takemiya Masaki
Yoseki [3k\]: Takemiya is fan favorite
Yoseki [3k\]: but he always lost to Kaobayashi
Gay [4d\]: bagman your weak if you dont see that move 
Gay [4d\]: its sente!
acellist1 [5k\]: what does it accomplish?
Almdudler [3d\]: Gay too strong
]
;B[cc]C[Violence [?\]: a probe, prolly
Deich [5k\]: q10 now?
Gay [4d\]: make weaker shape for black
Violence [?\]: If black D18, the cut at D15 becomes an option
Gay [4d\]: q10 is too near 
Gaxx [3k\]: Koh is an alien :o uses probes >_>
edowaado [17k\]: what is 7P?
Violence [?\]: whereas now, F17 becomes a good point to aim at
Yoseki [3k\]: lower side
Gay [4d\]: probably k3?
acellist1 [5k\]: b doesnot look weak as all that there
Gay [4d\]: or k16 ^^
Yoseki [3k\]: C18 is just investment in the future
Deich [5k\]: ok k3 or k4
Gay [4d\]: k4 is not good
zhixiang [2d?\]: w is thinking of invading f17 area?
Jump [6k\]: H15 work for that
Momogo [2d\]: can someone link egf pge
Momogo [2d\]: page
Yoseki [3k\]: H16
Snaga [1d\]: http://www.egf.com
Gay [4d\]: h16 overplay i think
Gay [4d\]: k16 or k3 i bet
Jump [6k\]: Black too think in the area
]
;W[ee]C[Yoseki [3k\]: o0O
Violence [?\]: jeeez
Deich [5k\]: hehe dear m,r peep
Gay [4d\]: hmm
Yoseki [3k\]: if *I* played that the dans would criticize the crap out of me ;0
Violence [?\]: nozoki
KPbiCA [3d\]: hopeless
Violence [?\]: I dunno what to say about it
Violence [?\]: it doesn't seem bad
Deich [5k\]: whats nozki? (peep?)
Violence [?\]: yes, Deich
]
;B[de]C[Deich [5k\]: nozoki* ok thx
acellist1 [5k\]: nozoki was unexpected play I thought
]
;W[ie]C[Yoseki [3k\]: yeah there's a kibitz style in which you translate normal words into Japanese
Deich [5k\]: whats "normal" yoseki?
kuikentje [5k\]: "normal words"
KPbiCA [3d\]: white is inpatient and is going to lose
Yoseki [3k\]: like English words
Jump [6k\]: seems that way
zhixiang [2d?\]: impatient?
]
;B[he]C[Jump [6k\]: Invaded too soon
Yoseki [3k\]: W is annoying B with spoiling his shape
progodan [15k\]: is white koh 8d?
KPbiCA [3d\]: l16
Deich [5k\]: english words are more normal than japanese words hmm...
KPbiCA [3d\]: yea
]
;W[hf]
;B[hd]C[nickwild [3k\]: touches weak stone?
Yoseki [3k\]: well if the kibitz were in Japanese then I guess Japanese would be normal...
zhixiang [2d?\]: tats a big corner...
Deich [5k\]: you say "kindergarden", right? isnt it strange?
]
;W[if]C[Yoseki [3k\]: that's English, Deich. And so is "aji" lolo
]
;B[kd]C[Deich [5k\]: thats german^^ lol
acellist1 [5k\]: If I was there I would make some of my barbeque for Juyong.
Yoseki [3k\]: yeah "Deutch"
Jump [6k\]: white is overextended
royalty [3d\]: q18 area now, i guess..
]
;W[jq]C[royalty [3d\]: okey, not
Deich [5k\]: nice moyo^
]
;B[qn]C[nickwild [3k\]: r9
Deich [5k\]: iam allowed to say moyo yoseki? :)
Yoseki [3k\]: now it's terriotry pretty much
]
;W[np]C[Deich [5k\]: w i ment^
Yoseki [3k\]: yes Japanese is "omoyo
jankenpopp: ...?
Southpoint [-\]: 28 Points in the upper 
Southpoint [-\]: black has 28 points up there
Jump [6k\]: huge
Violence [?\]: no, omoyo mean huge moyo strategy, like takemiya
]
;B[qk]
;W[cq]C[Yoseki [3k\]: W r14 does not really work as a moyo move
Mjolner [3k\]: Is the current scoreboard online anywhere?
zhixiang [2d?\]: w got nice shape at k3, o4 and q4
royalty [3d\]: is mingjiu japanese?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: chinese
royalty [3d\]: ah yes, chinese, sounded more like it
Ukasuhs [2k\]: ya youcant make the ming sound in japanese
Deich [5k\]: "ming" ming"
Deich [5k\]: sounds nice
kuikentje [5k\]: I think this is up-to-date: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/crosstab.html
kuikentje [5k\]: Mjolner
Affligem [6k\]: neither the jiang sounds
Affligem [6k\]: -s
Yoseki [3k\]: "Mitsu-san"
Affligem [6k\]: :P
Mjolner [3k\]: thx Kui
Ukasuhs [2k\]: ya lol
nickwild [3k\]: SE likes w
gogonuts [6d\]: c14,d3,e3,e2,f2 most likely now
gogonuts [6d\]: c4 ofcourse
zhixiang [2d?\]: seems so
royalty [3d\]: unless he wants to go sente
gogonuts [6d\]: after that b would probably play one of the remaining san-sans
]
;B[cp]
;W[dq]
;B[eq]
;W[er]
;B[fr]
;W[fq]
;B[ep]C[gogonuts [6d\]: so giving w sente isnt realy aproblem
]
;W[gr]C[Yoseki [3k\]: B wants more points
Deich [5k\]: but ponnuki in a nice distance to k3 , right?
]
;B[dr]
;W[fs]
;B[cr]C[gogonuts [6d\]: f4 would be most unusual now
royalty [3d\]: r5.. ?
Yoseki [3k\]: i'd be afraid to give W ponnuki here
Violence [?\]: I agree with gogonuts' analysis here. Black seems to be looking for territory quite a lot
gogonuts [6d\]: this was almost forced
Almdudler [3d\]: greedy
Yoseki [3k\]: Q18 now?
gogonuts [6d\]: not greedy - standdard
Deich [5k\]: id q18 , too :)
nickwild [3k\]: SE still likes w
royalty [3d\]: i wouldn't
zhixiang [2d?\]: lol
gogonuts [6d\]: perhaps s5
]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]C[gogonuts [6d\]: r5 feels a little fishy to me
]
;W[qi]C[Yoseki [3k\]: amateurish move ;0
Violence [?\]: white seems like aggressive player type
gogonuts [6d\]: possibly b p9 now - leaving the corners miai
Mjolner [3k\]: W seems to be dictating the pace of the game
Yoseki [3k\]: B will win
Violence [?\]: probe the 3-3 first?
Violence [?\]: R3?
bagman [4d\]: r5 seems all right
gogonuts [6d\]: the critical word is SEEMS
Mjolner [3k\]: lol
Raygo [13k\]: lol
Yoseki [3k\]: or *Feels*
royalty [3d\]: anti-lol
Mjolner [3k\]: I guess pro knows exactly what and where sente is
]
;B[di]C[Equitsumei [-\]: s5 or r5, are both equally do-able, none is superior, but a choice. .
]
;W[bk]C[nickwild [3k\]: instead of b q6 could he play r12?
Yoseki [3k\]: Q6 is almost a must
Violence [?\]: My guess is that this move aims at B5 later
mousie [4d\]: later white has B6?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: but r12 is sente
Mjolner [3k\]: Q6 is ok because W still has weaknesses around p3
Deich [5k\]: now q18 is big^
Mjolner [3k\]: the corner is still open
bagman [4d\]: s6 is big for white
Deich [5k\]: for w
]
;B[kf]C[nickwild [3k\]: b has cunning plan
gogonuts [6d\]: surprising chance of pace by b with d11 and L14
Jump [6k\]: Now its blacks turn to take initative
gogonuts [6d\]: i think b is looking for a way not to play p9 :-)
gogonuts [6d\]: in itself d11 for b9 costs points
Equitsumei [-\]: it's not necessary, so he ought not to do it now. .
Jump [6k\]: Yes Plus an attack
]
;W[ii]C[bagman [4d\]: q18 fells huge
bagman [4d\]: feels*
gogonuts [6d\]: the position is becoming complex
zhixiang [2d?\]: b can r17?
Deich [5k\]: qq 18 is w privileg?
]
;B[qc]
;W[pc]C[Deich [5k\]: hehe
Yoseki [3k\]: looks gote-ish
]
;B[pb]C[bagman [4d\]: =)
]
;W[qd]C[gogonuts [6d\]: r17 surprises me a little
]
;B[rb]
;W[rc]
;B[qb]C[bagman [4d\]: oh well even better
gogonuts [6d\]: w is already stable with r11
mousie [4d\]: now s6?
Deich [5k\]: told you mingjiu likes corners
Ukasuhs [2k\]: r17 seems a bit desperate
gogonuts [6d\]: w q8?
Iceborg [6k\]: Mingjiu counted he won even with this gote move ?
Violence [?\]: Why Q8???
Deich [5k\]: why desperate? about 20 points?
Deich [5k\]: i bet w planned q18 so
Deich [5k\]: even bigger
Yoseki [3k\]: P9 is normal move?
gogonuts [6d\]: q8,r8, s6,s7,s5 look bigger to me, but what do i know?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: b r11 soon if possible
Jump [6k\]: p9 mostsevere attck on R6 group
gogonuts [6d\]: p9 was normal for b
Deich [5k\]: r11 is allready played
Almdudler [3d\]: b is wayyy too greedy
acellist1 [5k\]: b s11?
Almdudler [3d\]: so unpro
Deich [5k\]: b is way too pro^
gogonuts [6d\]: w will attack more severely i think
KPbiCA [3d\]: be a man--play p9
Equitsumei [-\]: p9 iis useless, unless it puts pressure on around r11 but all is solid here. .
Almdudler [3d\]: gogo w <3
bagman [4d\]: i'd close off corner
Deich [5k\]: k5 is big? (sure gote but)
calgacus [?\]: Corner very very large
Almdudler [3d\]: poor w
Almdudler [3d\]: b is leading big
KPbiCA [3d\]: w p9
calgacus [?\]: s6 and w is not so bad
gogonuts [6d\]: close it of with q8,r8,s6,s7,s5
Equitsumei [-\]: not p9 , p10 s6 q8 are o k, but b isn't in trou bles. .
gogonuts [6d\]: then the corner is safe and q8 is still anuisance
Southpoint [-\]: p10 
Violence [?\]: but white still has the M3 weakness...
]
;W[rn]
;B[rm]
;W[ro]C[calgacus [?\]: hohon uts sequence appeared in many pro games
calgacus [?\]: gogonuts
]
;B[ri]
;W[rh]C[gogonuts [6d\]: why not q8 for r8 first? - w must have been worried about something
]
;B[ki]C[Deich [5k\]: k3 would defend m3 ,r ight?
gogonuts [6d\]: k3 allready on the board
calgacus [?\]: l11 helps r6 group
Deich [5k\]: k5 i ment
calgacus [?\]: g11 or j9?
Jump [6k\]: really intertesting how black supports his weak group
Deich [5k\]: by attacking* :)
Jump [6k\]: yes:-)
]
;W[oj]C[Jump [6k\]: I ussually attack just to attack
Jump [6k\]: :-p
Yoseki [3k\]: both pretty aggressive ;0
calgacus [?\]: now q8 is serious
gogonuts [6d\]: i think will lose the tenuki contest
gogonuts [6d\]: b will lose it i mean
Jump [6k\]: I thin black is ok
Deich [5k\]: b need to defend q8
Yoseki [3k\]: P8 then B has a cut
gogonuts [6d\]: all i mean is that b will be the first one to answer directly
coldmen [10k\]: is 9d actually stronger than 1p? or 8p?
Deich [5k\]: maybe now allready gogonuts:)
Yoseki [3k\]: some 1p > 9p
Jump [6k\]: Agreed Gonuts
Southpoint [-\]: 50 points for white
ikami [1d\]: 7d = 1p ~~
coldmen [10k\]: oke :)
Yoseki [3k\]: pro ranks are complicated
ikami [1d\]: yea
Equitsumei [-\]: o8. .
ikami [1d\]: pro world is not the same as amatuer
gogonuts [6d\]: b d11 was really an important decision
calgacus [?\]: B's group is weaker than w's
gogonuts [6d\]: if it doesnt work out w will have b6
Jump [6k\]: q11 is interesting
Jump [6k\]: probably unwise
Jump [6k\]: but interesting
gogonuts [6d\]: nicely put
Tsuba [1k\]: q21 is more interesting
gogonuts [6d\]: q21 wins outright
Snaga [1d\]: secret move
Deich [5k\]: i dont like q21, its llike passing
SenNoRiku [1k\]: hmmm
Jump [6k\]: Its on the bottom of the board
Cloudwall [-\]: you guys didn't know that the lines wrap around the board?
SenNoRiku [1k\]: Black has a 5 point lead.
]
;B[ol]C[Deich [5k\]: who told you: ? einstein?
Tsuba [1k\]: this is 3D go
cyp2d6 [9k\]: He takes out the two-eyes stone, granting instant life.
highhand [5k\]: is w a pro?
Cloudwall [-\]: no, strong amateur
Deich [5k\]: w seems to be a 8dan to me
SenNoRiku [1k\]: j9 good later
SenNoRiku [1k\]: depending on the influence black gets with p8 group
Deich [5k\]: after hikaru all pretty annoying obsessed by this poor "is he pro" chat
Cloudwall [-\]: this is a major tournament, so if he were pro, he'd have entered with a "p" rank
Equitsumei [-\]: hm . . so jiang is actually impressed, and is very carefull, no real troubl es for q6. .
gogonuts [6d\]: how about f11?
SenNoRiku [1k\]: I don't get it though
Jump [6k\]: f11 is solid I'm not sure if it does enough though
SenNoRiku [1k\]: a 1p is equivalant to a amatuar 7d
lubricated [5k\]: no...
Cloudwall [-\]: that's a rough estimation at best
SenNoRiku [1k\]: so a 7p should own a 8d
lubricated [5k\]: because the 1p was able to pass the exam 
mousie [4d\]: Juyong has won vs many weaker pros :-)
kilroy [2d\]: maybe amature chinese 7d
calgacus [?\]: Now w cannot play gogonuts q8 but s8 remains
Deich [5k\]: selbst ein blindes  huhn findet mal ein korn
Cloudwall [-\]: not true Sen.  the difference between pros is much smaller than between amateur players in most cases
Jenghis [2k\]: What is the pro exam?
highhand [5k\]: w j9 good?
SenNoRiku [1k\]: Ah
gogonuts [6d\]: pro should be stronger than 7d, but some 7ds are first class korean inseis ...
Zvi [6k\]: there's a test you must pass in order to bee a pro
Zvi [6k\]: that's the pro exam :o
Niouth: M8 now
lubricated [5k\]: yes cloud but you have to realize how much harder it must be to become 9p than 1p because of the subtelties you have to learn, and perfecting your game to such an extent
Deich [5k\]: stop this always coming pro amateur blahblah pls.(
Jump [6k\]: M8 pushes black into white's weak group
highhand [5k\]: how much time each got?
Jenghis [2k\]: : ) What does it consist of? playing some pros?
og [9k\]: use google
Cloudwall [-\]: actually, at that level, I doubt it's about subtleties so much as proving yourself in tournament play
highhand [5k\]: I like w J9 over M8
SenNoRiku [1k\]: Is it because amatuars may be as strong as a 5p but because they didn't pass the pro test they are at a rank there stronger then?
Deich [5k\]: very interesting game we kibitz you talk 20 minutes about pro, dan crap
Yoseki [3k\]: KGS 7d's pro can usually give handi 2
Cloudwall [-\]: the very high pro ranks are awarded after tournament victories nowadays
gogonuts [6d\]: w will protect his group i think - at some point b g11 would be unpleasant
]
;W[oc]
;B[ob]
;W[nd]
;B[mc]
;W[rj]C[SenNoRiku [1k\]: ouch
SenNoRiku [1k\]: Very big.
Deich [5k\]: wowo now b will attack
calgacus [?\]: sensible
Deich [5k\]: risky?
]
;B[pi]C[gogonuts [6d\]: sometimes go is like poker
]
;W[pj]
;B[qj]
;W[si]C[progodan [15k\]: that's what my bro says lol
gogonuts [6d\]: even though you can see everything :-)
]
;B[qh]C[Yoseki [3k\]: feels like B almost won
]
;W[ri]C[lubricated [5k\]: it just feels that way because you recognize his pro-ness
SenNoRiku [1k\]: q12
pasky [1k\]: they play fast ;)
SenNoRiku [1k\]: or p11
Jump [6k\]: B group is still weak
lubricated [5k\]: nah i think the scribe was just lazy pasky
SenNoRiku [1k\]: but b might be submissive and play q12
Deich [5k\]: w group weak too
gogonuts [6d\]: this fight seems to favor w
ikami [1d\]: g11 is paintful this follw by W h11 g10 or k11 l10 
Deich [5k\]: and an attack can preprae m3??
Iceborg [6k\]: s11 I do not understand at all
ikami [1d\]: then jump
Iceborg [6k\]: why not q12 ?
SenNoRiku [1k\]: omg
SenNoRiku [1k\]: XD
calgacus [?\]: w is well in the game imo
gogonuts [6d\]: s11 was a must - play it or shot yourself
Iceborg [6k\]: ok thanks
SenNoRiku [1k\]: q12 is good now
lubricated [5k\]: yea lol
lubricated [5k\]: iceborg, when in doubt, read.
Cloudwall [-\]: because Iceborg, then B would take and the ko becomes crucial and scary for W
Deich [5k\]: better play it then iceborg
Zvi [6k\]: p11 now not good for white ?
Deich [5k\]: its b turn^
Iceborg [6k\]: well, ko is ko 
Iceborg [6k\]: I like ko
Cloudwall [-\]: no, no it's not
]
;B[nj]C[SenNoRiku [1k\]: p11
SenNoRiku [1k\]: hmmm
Iceborg [6k\]: ko is not ko? ;)
Zvi [6k\]: i ment black p11
Deich [5k\]: hehe cool move
Yoseki [3k\]: some ko's are different from others
Zvi [6k\]: was b: p11 good for black ?
Cloudwall [-\]: in a trivial sense, yes
gogonuts [6d\]: this a a forceful but expensive combination by w
Cloudwall [-\]: but this ko would not be "typical"
SenNoRiku [1k\]: hmmm
SenNoRiku [1k\]: well
SenNoRiku [1k\]: i read p11
lubricated [5k\]: obviously, zvi, 7p didn't think that p11 was good for him so he didn't play it
SenNoRiku [1k\]: and
SenNoRiku [1k\]: it was kinda goo
SenNoRiku [1k\]: *good
Deich [5k\]: iceborg: thousand year ko, one step ko, two step. ... no threats hundrets threats, inner ko threats ... all kos might be a bit different^
gogonuts [6d\]: in a way when you go into debt with d11 going into debt further is good stategy
mousie [4d\]: maybe O9 is possible
SenNoRiku [1k\]: o10 gives a better sense of moyo for black
Zvi [6k\]: yeah, but if a 1k would say it's a good move then i'd know to play it if i don't find anything special :p
SenNoRiku [1k\]: o10 bigger then 2 stones
Yoseki [3k\]: usually if b stands nothing to lose from the ko, W should not play it
wijii [-\]: this looks like a tesuji
gogonuts [6d\]: p11 looks forced to me
]
;W[pk]C[Deich [5k\]: this looks like the beginning of a doubleattack
Jump [6k\]: ooo
gogonuts [6d\]: jesus
deft [4d\]: blind spot
SenNoRiku [1k\]: p11
Jump [6k\]: nice move
og [9k\]: nobody sees the empty triangle
deft [4d\]: looks good
Deich [5k\]: whats the name again? kazumi? hmmm?
SenNoRiku [1k\]: or q8 first
highhand [5k\]: why blindspot
deft [4d\]: guzumi, Deich
Zvi [6k\]: yes but it works og
Deich [5k\]: empty triangle-tesuji*
Deich [5k\]: thx deft
Jump [6k\]: Nobody expects the..... EMPTY TRIANGLE
mousie [4d\]: maybe it prepares O9 better
Zvi [6k\]: lol
mousie [4d\]: if b r8
SenNoRiku [1k\]: just  becaz its an empty triangle
deft [4d\]: http://www.emptytriangle.com/
gogonuts [6d\]: teasing b
deft [4d\]: sorry for the spam ;-)
SenNoRiku [1k\]: doesnt mean its always bad
]
;B[pl]C[acellist1 [5k\]: in this case the triangle is not about outside influence
lubricated [5k\]: koreans make triangles on purpose...
Rocker [4d\]: P11
outstander [4k\]: p11?
Yoseki [3k\]: yeah give B some thickness that's a nice plan
Deich [5k\]: basic tesuji dictionary: alt about guzumi :)
highhand [5k\]: w j9, my favorite again :)
SenNoRiku [1k\]: :)
SenNoRiku [1k\]: YAYAYA
]
;W[ql]
;B[qm]C[ryuan [10k\]: this empty seens good
]
;W[rk]C[SenNoRiku [1k\]: i guessed a pro move
Rakeliem [1d\]: has mingjui lost yet?
SenNoRiku [1k\]: he made mistake
Deich [5k\]: but j11 is a nice target now
]
;B[nk]C[lubricated [5k\]: w will help it with this stone though
gogonuts [6d\]: that was really funny
kgs1d [1k\]: O13 for W
kgs1d [1k\]: O12
mousie [4d\]: it's very hard to attack J11 stones
lubricated [5k\]: yes, rake, against a 3p
Rocker [4d\]: WOW HOW can b win this game?
gogonuts [6d\]: time for J9?
Zvi [6k\]: i think j9 for white
acellist1 [5k\]: o12 i think
Zvi [6k\]: yey, i guessed a 6d move :D
Jump [6k\]: B still leads?
Rakeliem [1d\]: who was the 3p?
gogonuts [6d\]: so you win even if its wrong :-)
Sonica [1k\]: b can attack w center or then enter in w territory ?
Rocker [4d\]: g11
lubricated [5k\]: can't remember
Cloudwall [-\]: minjiu also lost in the Ing tournament against the current player of W
Rocker [4d\]: G11
Cloudwall [-\]: so this is a sort of grudge match, maybe
Deich [5k\]: b still m3 and can attack j14
Rakeliem [1d\]: what's the link to scores?
outstander [4k\]: who's winning do you think? still looks close to me
kgs1d [1k\]: E12 first?
acellist1 [5k\]: Juyong could be a pro
SenNoRiku [1k\]: mingjiu just lost big lead
Zvi [6k\]: i really don't think you are strong enough to jusge acellist
Deich [5k\]: stop this "pro"-chat pls! :)
highhand [5k\]: J9 prepares for e9, G11 does not do much
gogonuts [6d\]: another possibility is defending the bottom and letting the group take its chances
Zvi [6k\]: judge*
Sonica [1k\]: no he has power...
pasky [1k\]: m3? that seems risky for b, could he pull that off?
acellist1 [5k\]: why stop pro chat when a pro is playing?
acellist1 [5k\]: it seems relevant
Deich [5k\]: mybe not directly pasky: just an option which is left
Rocker [4d\]: THIS GAME LOOKS A W HAS ALREADY WON , so much ahead in  territory , NO?
Jump [6k\]: W not too far ahead
Sonica [1k\]: b has power... no ?
SenNoRiku [1k\]: thats what i think
Violence [?\]: White still has a weak group
Yoseki [3k\]: i don't think W won but what do I know
kgs1d [1k\]: E12 and then E9?
pasky [1k\]: j11 pretty weak, no?
SenNoRiku [1k\]: w has big lead
Rakeliem [1d\]: oh yea
Violence [?\]: and black just made a wall
gogonuts [6d\]: now settled yet - weak group and m3
Jump [6k\]: B has a lot of cahs
Jump [6k\]: cash
highhand [5k\]: J9 fits SE score estimate pattern better too :)
Deich [5k\]: 1: w has a weak group    2. button isnt safe yet
Violence [?\]: and white has weakness at M3
SenNoRiku [1k\]: p11 will be very big for white later on
Yoseki [3k\]: i'm not sure W leads in *solid* territory
Rakeliem [1d\]: kuo yin is 3p, is that who he lost to?
]
;W[ff]C[pasky [1k\]: gognouts: how does m3 work? let's say m3 l4? what would black do?
Zvi [6k\]: is this ia threat for f17 ?
Yoseki [3k\]: Ming Jiu lost to Kuo on Tuesday
gogonuts [6d\]: f14 may be genius, but it may also be greedy
Rakeliem [1d\]: I see
ryuan [10k\]: nice site, btw
WithMyMind [5d?\]: I like N4
Cloudwall [-\]: how should B attack?
acellist1 [5k\]: n6?
Violence [?\]: G13?
Deich [5k\]: if w survive here, b will have hard times:)
calgacus [?\]: b settled his problem child
Jump [6k\]: I think it defends his wek group nicely threatening bigger invasion
Rakeliem [1d\]: does m3 work?
calgacus [?\]: Now w's tirn
Cloudwall [-\]: g13 does look interesting, yeah
deft [4d\]: N4 looks like a way to limit W
Zvi [6k\]: f14 looks like gote to me.
Zvi [6k\]: am i wrong ?
gogonuts [6d\]: i still like b g11
Equitsumei [-\]: hm w not so m uch a ahead, it's pretty close. .
]
;B[fi]C[Deich [5k\]: rund w! run run run baby<!
gogonuts [6d\]: may be more common sense
calgacus [?\]: w needs to make sabaki
gogonuts [6d\]: i dont think w helped himself with f14
Sonica [1k\]: and take your b friend with you
Yoseki [3k\]: now G13 threatens to cut off J11 stone
Jump [6k\]: F11 was probablt more sensible
lubricated [5k\]: b wont g13, he needs more than that
calgacus [?\]: probably against l11 stone
Jump [6k\]: for white
progodan [15k\]: was he attempting to save the other white stone
proutozore: f17
gogonuts [6d\]: b b8 will be a nuisance later
Zvi [6k\]: i really want this group to die. trouney games tend to have only small kills, this will be big :o
lubricated [5k\]: that isn't true...
Yoseki [3k\]: Ming Jiu died big the last time
Deich [5k\]: w will not die
Sonica [1k\]: will no die just help b to enter w territory...
Iceborg [6k\]: @gogonuts, can b8 make L&D issue for w?
Jump [6k\]: h12 defect in whites shape
gogonuts [6d\]: i think w is spending his time regretting f14
Iceborg [6k\]: hehe
Cloudwall [-\]: it's pretty unlikely that this will die, i think.  if it does, it amounts to a major oversight by W, because it means he absolutely couldn't afford the sequence on the right, which he initiated
gogonuts [6d\]: b8 looks like sentze to me
gogonuts [6d\]: but the timing is difficult
Rakeliem [1d\]: hm
gogonuts [6d\]: first the center group :-)
Iceborg [6k\]: ok thx
Deich [5k\]: g12 simple?
Jump [6k\]: white needs to defend center group for sure
calgacus [?\]: maybe first l13 to stop cit, then j9
lubricated [5k\]: cit?
highhand [5k\]: w L13 to defend by attack
calgacus [?\]: white needs to get out.
]
;W[gg]C[Deich [5k\]: close
Iceborg [6k\]: wow what a move
gogonuts [6d\]: time for some serious reading :-)
]
;B[fd]C[lubricated [5k\]: why would you play this move against a 7p
Deich [5k\]: f16!!!
Deich [5k\]: wow
Deich [5k\]: never expected f16 and soo fast
Yoseki [3k\]: no thinking at all
calgacus [?\]: made f17 sente
Jump [6k\]: can white cut at d12 now?
Yoseki [3k\]: B must be pleased with his game
Lilltiger [1d\]: ming must be confident that he is ahead
gogonuts [6d\]: that means b was expecting g13
mousie [4d\]: white could potentially look for eye space in top black territory
calgacus [?\]: looks like a good move
Sonica [1k\]: f16 shape ?
]
;W[gi]C[Yoseki [3k\]: now W run on dame
Rocker [4d\]: HOLA DEICH
gogonuts [6d\]: g11 looks like a good move
Zvi [6k\]: b : o11 is sente ?
]
;B[lq]C[bagman [4d\]: w shall win
Deich [5k\]: m3!! ::))
Yoseki [3k\]: O11 proabably too small atm
Rakeliem [1d\]: SWEet
gogonuts [6d\]: but b has the pleasure of dictaing the pace right now
Rocker [4d\]: N2
Rakeliem [1d\]: my move
Rakeliem [1d\]: ming jui is awesome
Yoseki [3k\]: yes lean on bottom then come back to the center group
]
;W[nr]C[Rocker [4d\]: !!!
Rakeliem [1d\]: !!
highhand [5k\]: as w I play g10 for safety, not o2
lubricated [5k\]: wow o2 so submissive
Lilltiger [1d\]: hmm
Dontpoke [-\]: !!
Yoseki [3k\]: ??
Lilltiger [1d\]: this looks like an easy game for b now
Rocker [4d\]: ITS CALLED FRUITFUL , NOT SUBMISSIVE
gogonuts [6d\]: that would be overstating things
Violence [?\]: Rocker+caps lock=God
Jenghis [2k\]: like durian fruit Rocker?
Zvi [6k\]: ITS CALLED CAPS , NOT MAKING THINGS ANY CLEAR
Deich [5k\]: hehe
Zvi [6k\]: clearer :/
Uizado [-\]: behave please
Jump [6k\]: white can push up with his K3 group now to protect the center
Dontpoke [-\]: PIE? =D
Deich [5k\]: rockers have to be loud , aggresive and dull^
ryuan [10k\]: the game is getting better and better
Deich [5k\]: thx@ rocker
Yoseki [3k\]: K4?
Deich [5k\]: iam getting more and more drunk while kibitzing
highhand [5k\]: b G5
Deich [5k\]: ^cidre in summer hmm*
Yoseki [3k\]: P3 still aji for B?
Sonica [1k\]: close around 55 points for each ?
op11235 [9k\]: how long is game
Yoseki [3k\]: 2 hrs + byoyomi
og [9k\]: options > rules
Deich [5k\]: i bet b is counting right now
gogonuts [6d\]: f10 maybe? - it doesnt look very fancy i admit
Yoseki [3k\]: i heard pros count after every move?
Zvi [6k\]: i thought of p3 
Deich [5k\]: after every fight i thought
gogonuts [6d\]: with every breath :-)
mlnmiles [1d\]: Yoseki, they count before:)
Jump [6k\]: can black really leave his m3 stone alone gonuts
Rocker [4d\]: F10 is called no plan move
bagman [4d\]: i guess b will get this stone out
Iceborg [6k\]: congrats gogonuts, nice guess :)
Deich [5k\]: or sacrifice for some points in the center? 
lubricated [5k\]: b is reading how to kill q4
ryuan [10k\]: maybe it's simply a mistake
Iceborg [6k\]: lol
Rocker [4d\]: H3
Deich [5k\]: whats an mistake?
Deich [5k\]: m3 smelled vital and o2 was honte
ryuan [10k\]: he wanted some strategy and misread something crucial?
]
;B[mo]C[Deich [5k\]: lol
mlnmiles [1d\]: heh
Deich [5k\]: hehe m3 was light! :)
Deich [5k\]: like i said
ryuan [10k\]: and are re-reading all again
]
;W[no]C[lubricated [5k\]: 7p doesn't need to re-read
]
;B[mn]C[gogonuts [6d\]: this position doesnt look very complicated, but it is
Zvi [6k\]: a 7p has someone reading it to him :|
highhand [5k\]: do not understand b N5, is his right group need reinforcements?
Deich [5k\]: if all center is dame, who wins?
]
;W[ed]C[Zvi [6k\]: he just stares at the goban until he gets the information he wants :D
Snaga [1d\]: thats called reading
Zvi [6k\]: lol
royalty [3d\]: the goban imps point out the good moves
ryuan [10k\]: he get the information from osmosis?
gogonuts [6d\]: i think b f17
Jump [6k\]: center is looking more and more like black territory
]
;B[fe]C[ryuan [10k\]: now I want that skill
gogonuts [6d\]: oops
Deich [5k\]: not really jump
]
;W[ef]C[Beannie [2d\]: N5 helps M3, reinforces right and prepares attack on J11
]
;B[ec]C[Rocker [4d\]: F4 IS w next move after the sente above
gogonuts [6d\]: this is a better way to void w g15 :-)
Jump [6k\]: black has more influence
kuikentje [5k\]: black can get some center, but probably not much
Jump [6k\]: more then white though
Jump [6k\]: k5 seems important soom
gogonuts [6d\]: letting w simmer in his on stew is wicked
mlnmiles [1d\]: Rocker, ain;t g5  better?
Rocker [4d\]: g5 is loose
Deich [5k\]: what k5 does?
]
;W[bq]
;B[br]C[gogonuts [6d\]: sente war
gogonuts [6d\]: w b6 before b b8
mlnmiles [1d\]: hmm
]
;W[bm]C[Deich [5k\]: is there any go while olympic games?
Rocker [4d\]: dang!
Zvi [6k\]: hmmm
Zvi [6k\]: wasn't b2 huge ??
hannes101 [8k\]: is there any olympic games while there is go, is the question
highhand [5k\]: there is Go in this coming Olympics
gogonuts [6d\]: actually this compromise of b7 looks smart
Fatality [7k\]: maybe the go olympics?
Zvi [6k\]: it's in china. when playing in china you get +2 for all reading rolls.
Feanor [2k\]: after the actual olympics, afaik
kana3455: is that true? go is an event in olympics
gogonuts [6d\]: capturing the corner but losing the side would be bad for w
Deich [5k\]: sometimes they have off-events
Deich [5k\]: thats why i ask
]
;B[bn]C[Rocker [4d\]: d8
]
;W[cl]C[royalty [3d\]: i think it's still called 100m dash
]
;B[am]C[Rocker [4d\]: i mean c
Deich [5k\]: k-k-k-ko?
Rocker [4d\]: atari
lubricated [5k\]: b8 sente?
Rocker [4d\]: d7
]
;W[bl]
;B[dm]C[Rocker [4d\]: !!1
Yoseki [3k\]: D7 B just protect
Fatality [7k\]: olympic go games 2008 with all famous go disciplines :)
]
;W[ko]C[Yoseki [3k\]: B is really feeling good huh
Rocker [4d\]: w thinks hes ahead for sho
gougou [1d\]: One of the olympic torch-bearers in China was Gu Li
gougou [1d\]: that shows that go is well-respected there
lubricated [5k\]: haha, i bet he needed help
Snaga [1d\]: serious?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: m5
Rocker [4d\]: m4
Rocker [4d\]: no
SenNoRiku [1k\]: : /
lubricated [5k\]: m5 empty triangle
Rocker [4d\]: n4
SenNoRiku [1k\]: I played an entire game and they have only played like 30 moves
matiou [4k\]: what is empty triangle?
romica [9k\]: l7
Jump [6k\]: best shape ever
Deich [5k\]: empty triangle= nice tesuji often
ranma17 [6k\]: lol
Rocker [4d\]: l7 is very cute
Feanor [2k\]: best shape ever would be b2 bomber
mlnmiles [1d\]: Matiou ashape like m5 n5 n6
Feanor [2k\]: the empty triangle is just his little brother
Jump [6k\]: B2 bomber just a really big empty triangle
matiou [4k\]: thx!
kana3455: Otake said , avoid empty triangle
mlnmiles [1d\]: it is said to be  a bad shape as one doen't get a good shape
Deich [5k\]: in 15kyu+ games: all empty triangles are poor moves, in 3dan* games its the opposite
mlnmiles [1d\]: and makes a lot of dame:)
lubricated [5k\]: that is sojust not true
Rocker [4d\]: n4 like a man
kvartaali [4k\]: might be that in dan games it's just the only move =)
Zvi [6k\]: isn't m4 abit better ?
Yoseki [3k\]: kill the center W like a man :+}
highhand [5k\]: b should play a mogobot move like j8 now
Rocker [4d\]: m4 not bad but
Yoseki [3k\]: M4 for the cut?
Feanor [2k\]: but m5 is 507 bhp saloon :p
Sonica [1k\]: game on board 2 terrible...
Zvi [6k\]: m4 for connect
Rocker [4d\]: u give more pressure with n4 with o3 n2 followers??????
ryuan [10k\]: kgs counter is as bugged as ever
Zvi [6k\]: well, wouldn't white just play n3 as sente after n4, if he feels it's too tight for him ?
Yoseki [3k\]: board 3 has more viewers
Feanor [2k\]: u mean the guesstimator?
ryuan [10k\]: yes
Deich [5k\]: go mr koh!
Rakeliem [1d\]: hi feonor
lubricated [5k\]: the sad thing is that its probably not that mingjiu is more popular, but that its the first game on the active games list
ryuan [10k\]: guesstimator is gold!
Zvi [6k\]: he can even play n3 m4 m2 to connect under, get a few extra points
Deich [5k\]: i always rude with the underdog
Feanor [2k\]: hi
Deich [5k\]: rude for? rude with? hmm
Zvi [6k\]: not that i don't think you're right rocker, just trying to see why
Deich [5k\]: rude for* 
Yoseki [3k\]: no M4 has a K4 cut in mind
mlnmiles [1d\]: hah:)
Zvi [6k\]: :O?
og [9k\]: misclicks?
]
;B[mp]C[Rocker [4d\]: o11 looks not so efficienttttttttt
Deich [5k\]: i want mimgiju to explain us his loose in one of his next lessons
]
;W[km]C[Zvi [6k\]: it's not played on net, so no misclick lol :o
]
;B[mr]C[Rakeliem [1d\]: oh yes thx
Yoseki [3k\]: USGO fell asleep
og [9k\]: zvi...
erice: misclick of scribe?
Zvi [6k\]: maybe "p
Zvi [6k\]: :o
]
;W[nq]C[Feanor [2k\]: sure not misclick of the players :p
highhand [5k\]: if b loses game, will he lose lots of students?
USGO3 [-\]: Yes, my apologies
Feanor [2k\]: no pb, usgo
Rocker [4d\]: f4
Zvi [6k\]: l4 now ?
Rocker [4d\]: no
Jenghis [2k\]: We will forgive you this time, but don't do it again USG03 : )
Rocker [4d\]: k2
Zvi [6k\]: actually, do it again. it was kinda funny
Rocker [4d\]: K2 OK?
Snaga [1d\]: ok
Rocker [4d\]: good
Deich [5k\]: g9 firsat?
RubysDad [3k\]: yes ok
Sonica [1k\]: H3 ?
lubricated [5k\]: the 1st board game is more interesting
Deich [5k\]: this sint interesting? your wrong! it is
Rocker [4d\]: camong!
Cloudwall [-\]: well then go watch it
Rocker [4d\]: u r watching an ama spanking a 7p with w , how eciting!
Sonica [1k\]: board 2 seems over..
Deich [5k\]: and board 1 we have this poor : hes-pro.no-he-isnt-discussion  again:(
]
;B[hq]C[pierone2 [2k\]: wow
Yoseki [3k\]: and here we hear Deich whining
Zvi [6k\]: it's not spanking if he's dead :p
Deich [5k\]: sonica! impressive call
mlnmiles [1d\]: w has about 70-65 pts
Deich [5k\]: sweet yoseki:)
Zvi [6k\]: yoseki ?
Cloudwall [-\]: then it's a confused attempt at CPR?
kvartaali [4k\]: hmm.. g11 group might become a great weakness now :P
Ukasuhs [2k\]: w 67.5 b 64 about i think
Yoseki [3k\]: this is exciting
Rocker [4d\]: this move shows b feels its an emergency ssituation!
Deich [5k\]: but g111 in good shape
highhand [5k\]: w F4
ikami [1d\]: 65 pts in AGA rules ?
Ukasuhs [2k\]: unless this move works out well for b tat is
mythical [3k\]: G 4
Yoseki [3k\]: could be problems for L5?
Masamune [5k?\]: who is the firts player in the position of tournamnt
Rocker [4d\]: f4 seems enevitable!!
mlnmiles [1d\]: i get about 65-70 for b as well:P
Masamune [5k?\]: sory for my enghlish
highhand [5k\]: I am glad 4d agrees w me
gougou [1d\]: w looking kinda thin now...
mlnmiles [1d\]: but after h3, not sure what it does, b can win
]
;W[fp]C[highhand [5k\]: yeah, w agrees w me too :)
Toge [5k\]: Connect to L3
Toge [5k\]: M3*
]
;B[jp]C[lubricated [5k\]: b should try to get k4 ladder
highhand [5k\]: those who thought otherwise and at dan level pls offer some simul games to as pentenance
lubricated [5k\]: dang my 1 hand i couldn't type fast enough
]
;W[kp]
;B[kq]C[Deich [5k\]: whats going on... a trade?
lubricated [5k\]: yes, b will k2
Ukasuhs [2k\]: no, black might win from this
H2He [7k\]: maybe hou yin
Yoseki [3k\]: ladder good for B
Dontpoke [-\]: j3?
lubricated [5k\]: ah yes black does have the ladder... forgive me i'm on some powerful medication right now
Deich [5k\]: who asked before: "hat m3 does?"  ::))
euro15k [9k\]: w k2 ?
Yoseki [3k\]: and one hand? hmm...
lubricated [5k\]: well i have a popsicle
Ukasuhs [2k\]: lol
lubricated [5k\]: and i pur ir in my m ourh to typte that long sentencve
ryuan [10k\]: w is screwed
lubricated [5k\]: and i'm using 1 finger from my popsicle hand
Shana [3d\]: popsicle...
G0g0l [1d\]: popsicle?
Shana [3d\]: its so cold here xD
Yoseki [3k\]: this ismore than we wnated to know...
lubricated [5k\]: am i spellingf it wrongf?
Sonica [1k\]: ifwj3 bj2 ?
nd4ever [5k\]: j3?
nd4ever [5k\]: i think w will j2
lubricated [5k\]: well you asked yoseki, i had to vindicate myself
Yoseki [3k\]: n oprob
Ukasuhs [2k\]: lubricated i dare u to hit the g key without hitting the f key
Yoseki [3k\]: ihave dough fingers :+}
Shana [3d\]: g
lubricated [5k\]: its haerd but i'm getting better at it
Shana [3d\]: oops i used backspace
Shana [3d\]: xD
Deich [5k\]: the g-key? lol^^
lubricated [5k\]: haha
Yoseki [3k\]: hard to find a way for W
Yoseki [3k\]: triple attack lolz
gougou [1d\]: ladder good for black...
Rocker [4d\]: k2!!!!!!!!!!11
gougou [1d\]: maybe j2
Shana [3d\]: if k2 i would probably h2 but eww 
Deich [5k\]: if ladder is bad, play a ladder breaker
lubricated [5k\]: rocker i'm guessing you aren't that old right?
Jump [6k\]: l5 group not looking too healthy
gougou [1d\]: nothing to break though
Deich [5k\]: rockers are from the 80th!
Rocker [4d\]: i m too old
Shana [3d\]: young=>old=>too old=>young
Mjolner [3k\]: What are the times at USGO?
]
;W[jr]C[Yoseki [3k\]: "too old for rock'n'roll too young to die"
Rocker [4d\]: muhahahaha
IstTengen [9k\]: old enough to write !!!11 just to make the youngsters squirm?
Deich [5k\]: iam to old to die young
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: eh? b won last game?
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: how?`
]
;B[ip]C[ryuan [10k\]: finallly he decided
]
;W[hr]C[Yoseki [3k\]: rocker wins
ryuan [10k\]: but on what regards?
]
;B[jn]C[Rocker [4d\]: j6
Rocker [4d\]: oops
ryuan [10k\]: try ti minimize the pain or keep the fight even?
Yoseki [3k\]: now classic attack
lubricated [5k\]: heh, j6 is such a different move too
Deich [5k\]: w lost:(
Deich [5k\]: what a pity
Rocker [4d\]: hmmm
highhand [5k\]: a big turnaround in SE score est
mentols: b is just too strong
Deich [5k\]: l6 and pray
Rocker [4d\]: if u r a man u must l6 at any cost
G0g0l [1d\]: l6 suicide
ryuan [10k\]: what exactly killed W ?
Deich [5k\]: m3 did^
Ukasuhs [2k\]: b
Dontpoke [-\]: o2
Shana [3d\]: rocker, what costs are u talking about?
Email [5k\]: no handi?
Sonica [1k\]: look the board...
Rocker [4d\]: losing yo wife
Yoseki [3k\]: curiosity kiled W. Moves like F14
Email [5k\]: it should be:s
Rocker [4d\]: cuz u must keep your manhood !!
Deich [5k\]: l6 only move
]
;W[jm]C[Yoseki [3k\]: ur indeed old-fashioned Rocker
Principe [2d\]: lol deich
lubricated [5k\]: fail deich
Deich [5k\]: o not enough for w:(
highhand [5k\]: anyone guessed k7 before?
Rocker [4d\]: !!!!!!
Ukasuhs [2k\]: b wins
royalty [3d\]: depends on what you mean by enough
]
;B[kn]C[Yoseki [3k\]: i thought about it :+}
Yoseki [3k\]: W lose some pts but connects
Deich [5k\]: enough means pro-meat
Rocker [4d\]: his manhood dies now , the game is meaningless now
sljfie [15k\]: the game is close
lubricated [5k\]: do you have manhood yet rocker?
calgacus [1d?\]: Rocker, you are an idiot.
lubricated [5k\]: plz no ban i didn't mean that the way it sounded, i was just asking if he was young
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
ryuan [10k\]: how many plays he are going to do before resigning?
DreamN [5k\]: zzz
mlnmiles [1d\]: the result seems to be clear
Rakeliem [1d\]: w got pushed over here
Deich [5k\]: i got a gazelle, its like a harley davidson i paint it black, with a sattle on its back
Deich [5k\]: sorry KGS ! :(
]
;W[in]C[lubricated [5k\]: lol
gougou [1d\]: women can win too
ryuan [10k\]: of course
]
;B[jo]C[lubricated [5k\]: since when
highhand [5k\]: why w take so long for j6? once a sequence starts it is no brainer
christopff [2d\]: @KGSPlus: is there an automatic voice, when there are to many commensts ????????????
lubricated [5k\]: no...
]
;W[eo]C[christopff [2d\]: dfg
christopff [2d\]: df
christopff [2d\]: gdf
christopff [2d\]: g
christopff [2d\]: dfg
christopff [2d\]: dfg
christopff [2d\]: df
christopff [2d\]: gdf
christopff [2d\]: gdf
christopff [2d\]: g
christopff [2d\]: dfg
christopff [2d\]: dfg
christopff [2d\]: df
christopff [2d\]: gdf
christopff [2d\]: g
christopff [2d\]: dfgd
christopff [2d\]: g
christopff [2d\]: dd
christopff [2d\]: gd
christopff [2d\]: gd
christopff [2d\]: gd
Deich [5k\]: ahhh!
og [9k\]: ..
lubricated [5k\]: 3...
mlnmiles [1d\]: bye
og [9k\]: idiot.
lubricated [5k\]: 2.....
christopff [2d\]: maybe not
timouss: women are strong !
Masamune [5k?\]: jejejej
lubricated [5k\]: 1......
lubricated [5k\]: BAN
Deich [5k\]: carful christoph
Violence [?\]: that was very smart of you
ryuan [10k\]: no one said they are weak
ryuan [10k\]: but having it's genitals taken
lubricated [5k\]: how come all the 2d are kids... i want to be 2d
ikami [1d\]: e5 paintful hane sente
ryuan [10k\]: are not a good thing
rapture [6k\]: lubricated: i was just thinking the same
heegaard [4k\]: f4 not alive yet, right/
Rocker [4d\]: b4
Rakeliem [1d\]: tenuki
heegaard [4k\]: f5
Yoseki [3k\]: can't B cut?
gougou [1d\]: +f4 alive because j3 sente
Deich [5k\]: lubriciated: thats kinda racism-sytle. wanna be like him but shout: BAN
pierone2 [2k\]: cut
]
;B[kr]C[Rakeliem [1d\]: see tenuki
heegaard [4k\]: yes, thx gougou
Yoseki [3k\]: well you can ignore the idiot or ban...
heegaard [4k\]: now it doesn't work
Ukasuhs [2k\]: WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Deich [5k\]: omg
Yoseki [3k\]: now G5
Capsule [3d\]: impressive.
Rakeliem [1d\]: ban him an the steak
Jump [6k\]: Look at the birds!
fetagaia [1k\]: Wow, Ukasuhs is a real man
Rocker [4d\]: w must feel some rage now due to the loss of the two stones
Yoseki [3k\]: b/c if you don't ban one thre are others to follow :+}
pierone2 [2k\]: j2?
gougou [1d\]: haha manhood gets him into trouble
heegaard [4k\]: is this a tournament or just free games?
Capsule [3d\]: tournament
ikami [1d\]: b4 ? big
og [9k\]: tournament, mon dieu!
Ukasuhs [2k\]: first ti e i did it it gave me sad face message saying my message was too long
og [9k\]: check the info of the person doing the demo
ikami [1d\]: b4 huge
Ukasuhs [2k\]: can only be 1000 W's
lubricated [5k\]: christoph was banned lol
Snaga [1d\]: if they spam they should spam with teh mushroom 
lubricated [5k\]:  
Rakeliem [1d\]: is that a wrench?
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
]
;W[iq]C[Rocker [4d\]: rage against joseki!!
]
;B[js]C[lubricated [5k\]: ah desole desole...
]
;W[ir]C[Masamune [5k?\]: xD
]
;B[hp]C[highhand [5k\]: why b l2 when w cannot be killed?
Yoseki [3k\]: not long for W nos...
pierone2 [2k\]: still not alive
gougou [1d\]: w aiming at c6?
lubricated [5k\]: w isn't live yet
Rocker [4d\]: f5
Yoseki [3k\]: for this: W will be split
lubricated [5k\]: w need g2
lubricated [5k\]: g3*
mlnmiles [1d\]: think b+10 now
pierone2 [2k\]: g3?
Deich [5k\]: g3 soo gote lol
baitem [4k\]: j6 and k7 stones look lonely now
mlnmiles [1d\]: or better
gougou [1d\]: w will NEVER play g3
]
;W[fn]C[highhand [5k\]: w F5 now
lubricated [5k\]: im saying that in order for w to be aliev he needs g3
Yoseki [3k\]: since W has no manhood now, he can play G3
highhand [5k\]: F6 not as good
Rocker [4d\]: b4 now
gougou [1d\]: i'd rather die than live so humiliated
lubricated [5k\]: as in, highhand [5k\]: why b l2 when w cannot be killed?
ikami [1d\]: why not b4 
ikami [1d\]: ??
heegaard [4k\]: why b4 needed?
]
;B[bp]C[pierone2 [2k\]: f8?
ikami [1d\]: b4 c5 a2 
pierone2 [2k\]: ooh
Rocker [4d\]: mahaha
Rakeliem [1d\]: b4 doesn't do much
lubricated [5k\]: wow look how successful m3 invasion has been
ikami [1d\]: ah wait
Snaga [1d\]: need to defend
gougou [1d\]: feels like w behind now
Rocker [4d\]: j8
ikami [1d\]: no sry
mlnmiles [1d\]: Rakelim, if b tenuki, tan c5
Deich [5k\]: mayve w simple k5 instead of f14
Rakeliem [1d\]: then cut, right
acellist1 [5k\]: 6
mlnmiles [1d\]: then*
Deich [5k\]: maybe*
acellist1 [5k\]: d6
Rocker [4d\]: j7?
]
;W[fj]C[Rocker [4d\]: !!!!!!!
highhand [5k\]: w O12 next move
Rocker [4d\]: f10 i have to agree with
gougou [1d\]: ya f10 = PPPower
Rocker [4d\]: e12 next
Deich [5k\]: b has j7
Rocker [4d\]: or tengen
royalty [3d\]:  or a19
]
;B[fk]C[Rocker [4d\]: !!!!!!!!!!!!11
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: eh
gougou [1d\]: looks like misclick haha
Rocker [4d\]: i apoligise
lubricated [5k\]: clamp looks wierd...
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: what a move
Yoseki [3k\]: B keeps attacking
Rocker [4d\]: f9 is smart
lubricated [5k\]: yea i know, w can't connect
Gosnake [6k\]: is this game live?
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: who would play there
lubricated [5k\]: but it still looks wierd
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: b is amazing
heegaard [4k\]: e9
mlnmiles [1d\]: e10?
highhand [5k\]: w does not need connect, he needs points
Rakeliem [1d\]: is clamping ever called "natural"
lubricated [5k\]: once... just once rake..
Deich [5k\]: if you need a friend, ask for the clamp
Rakeliem [1d\]: huh?
gougou [1d\]: white's only way not is to be the master of CHAOS
Gosnake [6k\]: ?
houth [7k\]: white doesn't look good
highhand [5k\]: wonder whether w can create a diversion w k17? :)
romica [9k\]: g9
heegaard [4k\]: k17 bad at this moment
heegaard [4k\]: only makes group under attack bigger
Rocker [4d\]: i still think w has a lead by 3~4 points
gougou [1d\]: oh humm
Deich [5k\]: you count zero points in the center rocker?
Gosnake [6k\]: I agree with the 4 dan^^
royalty [3d\]: i still think black has the lead
Snaga [1d\]: i agree with SE
]
;W[gj]C[Gosnake [6k\]: 4 dan outsmarts SE
Rakeliem [1d\]: w should get some pts
gougou [1d\]: SE is accurate to within +/- 160 points
royalty [3d\]: gougou, not really
Deich [5k\]: g5 and g3?
Gosnake [6k\]: 4dan is more accurate
]
;B[im]C[Malingo [4d\]: not always :D
heegaard [4k\]: g5 not sente
Deich [5k\]: not sente? hmm
Ukasuhs [2k\]: g5 is sente...
GiantCat [-\]: why didn't w e11?
heegaard [4k\]: (imho of course....)
Rocker [4d\]: j8
Ukasuhs [2k\]: g5, tenuki, f5, e6, g3
gougou [1d\]: white has an ugly bottom
timaire [2k\]: lo
timaire [2k\]: lol
Rocker [4d\]: this centre battle very crucial.......
Masamune [5k?\]: pro pro pro pro pro pro
Mjolner [3k\]: why would W play e6 when he needs g3 to liv??
Deich [5k\]: its just sente
Deich [5k\]: w wouldnt ignore g5
Ukasuhs [2k\]: ok, g5, tenuki, e5, g3, f6
Ukasuhs [2k\]: e6*
Ukasuhs [2k\]: not f6
royalty [3d\]: or black could first see if he wants to play g3 or cut f5
Malingo [4d\]: g5 tenuki f5 g3 big but not urgent
Rocker [4d\]: if b can erase w centre with sente...... the game will be a question mark.......
royalty [3d\]: posisbilities are limitless
andy8452 [5k\]: whats the game time usgo?
royalty [3d\]: but playing g5 may not be the point here..
royalty [3d\]: black can do it a little later
gougou [1d\]: w cannot afford to lose k7
heegaard [4k\]: f9 was probe
gougou [1d\]: (without proper compensation)
lubricated [5k\]: e10 looks so... just yea.
lubricated [5k\]: isn't e10 so tempting
highhand [5k\]: w J8 first
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: h6 possible?
Deich [5k\]: g9 might kill w in th end
andy8452 [5k\]: is USGO3 reading this??
Deich [5k\]: f9* sorry
Rocker [4d\]: no maTTER what happens to the earth , u must play j8 !!!!!!!!
]
;W[il]C[lubricated [5k\]: usgo3 can see the chat, yes andy
]
;B[hm]C[highhand [5k\]: another win for my prediction
Rocker [4d\]: muhahahaha
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: see
andy8452 [5k\]: well usgo is not answering 
kuikentje [5k\]: he might be focussing on the game for the most part.
andy8452 [5k\]: true
lubricated [5k\]: well andy you will never be my friend... because right when jim was going to propose to pam you proposed to angela and i will kill you for this
Mjolner [3k\]: B aiming for g3?
andy8452 [5k\]: lol oh o:
andy8452 [5k\]: whats it the time of the game usgo??
lubricated [5k\]: 2hrs...
lubricated [5k\]: 5x30 byo
andy8452 [5k\]: the curent time
lubricated [5k\]: 7.5 komi
lubricated [5k\]: aha
Ukasuhs [2k\]: USGO3, how much time do they have left
Deich [5k\]: time enough left
bagman [4d\]: eternity
Deich [5k\]: w needs a magic hand now
USGO3 [-\]: W resigns
Volchishka [3d\]: wow
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: thank you
Violence [?\]: Black takes his revenge
j10poil [8k\]: ty usgo
bagman [4d\]: thx for the broadcast
Rocker [4d\]: hmm
Rocker [4d\]: uh
Mjolner [3k\]: wow resign seems too early!
Masamune [5k?\]: gg
Rocker [4d\]: oh my god w resins???????????
bagman [4d\]: na it was over
kuikentje [5k\]: I suppose they read further than you and me Mjolner ;)
Mjolner [3k\]: I realise that but still
GiantCat [-\]: I guess w is worried about two middle groups?
Rocker [4d\]: oh noooooooooooooooooooooo how come w lost this nice game!!!!!!!!!!
Rakeliem [1d\]: f9 triangle stone shape works well seems
krakengo [1d\]: he made 2 weak groups
krakengo [1d\]: played heavily
krakengo [1d\]: and lost naturally
Rakeliem [1d\]: yes
carla [7k\]: died of natural causes
krakengo [1d\]: L11 key by b
highhand [5k\]: if played on, how much will w lose?
])
